In a
recent interview with Radio Asre-Jadid, Abolhassan Banisadr spoke about the crimes
which are being committed by the Israeli army in Gaza, the reasons beyond them
and the indifferent reaction of some Iranians to the situation. Below are some
extracts which I have translated from the interview, however, the entire
interview is worth listening to.
I would
also like to mention that in another interview last week, he advocated a
one-state solution to the Palestinian-Israeli conflict. This has also been suggested
in the past by others including Edward Said, Judith Butler and Yasser
Arafat.
So, that being said, here are some quotations from Banisadr’s Friday interview:
“Khamenei
and Netanyahu have the same way of thinking. Mr (Khamenei) believes in (a
doctrine of) victory through terrorisation, and thinks that if the West Bank
also becomes armed, the work is done. Mr (Netanyahu), who is committing these
crimes in Gaza, is in favour of creating fear and terror (as one of his
generals had stated), so these people the Palestinians) do not dare to do
anything and so they accept the situation of being sub-human and of slow death.
Therefore, they have similar ways of thinking. What Khamenei really means is
that he wants the West Bank to come under the control of Hamas and Islamic
Jihad. However...these groups in Gaza do not observe the human rights of
Palestinians. If you have accepted the logic of armed violence, then you inevitably
will accept that the people with the stronger military will prevail, and
therefore that the Palestinians should remain under the domination of Israel.
We can’t expect a power oriented mind to understand such realities.”
“The
problem is that in Islamic countries the understanding of religion has become
alienated and as a result people give a Godly role to power and force. ... They
have created a destiny for themselves. The adventures of the crusades (in
medieval times) are being repeated with one major difference. During the crusades,
the west brought armies to the region and was defeated. Today, Muslims make their
own money from selling oil to the west for next-to-nothing prices and then use
this money they buy weapons from the west to killing each other in its favour, hence
bringing their countries to the verge of disintegration.”
“Israel
is a phenomenon which sees its survival and existence through the disintegration
of the Middle East (region). When I was in Iran (until June 1981, when he was
overthrown by a coup), I became aware of the Israeli plan for the
disintegration of the countries of the region (the Middle East). This plan was
being developed in the U.S. Department of Defence. This plan is being
implemented wherever the U.S. has intervened since. You can see this in
Libya, in Syria and in Iraq. Iran is also part of such a plan, and
if Israel has an opportunity to become dominant, it will come after me and you (meaning
the Iranians). Is it not being said that Israel is building bases in the Iraqi,
Syrian and Iranian areas of Kurdistan. We need to follow a policy which is
based on the principle of ‘negative equilibrium,’ a policy which makes it
possible for all countries in the region to live independently and freely and
to cooperate and coexist with what they share in common.”
“Part of
the problem of Palestine, from my point of view, is internal. The Palestinians
could well use the opportunity they had gained in order to establish a society
based on rights. If they had done this, then Israel could neither inflict such
suffering on them nor rain bombs on them all the time.”
“Here we
are all facing a bitter reality, which is that as Israel was committing crimes
in Gaza this week, in Syria 1700 people were also killed. (In such a situation)
Mr Netanyahu can say: ‘so, I can kill more.’”
“The
reason some people (referring to some Iranians) say that Gaza has nothing to do
with me them is because they can’t think that people are right-oriented, and so
that nations have a right to live and to have national rights. The reason
a person can’t think in such a way is because, as an Iranian, s/he does not see
herself as one who has such rights. If s/he thought in such a way and saw
himself as a human being with rights, then, he could not say that is was none
of his business because s/he knew that the violation of rights anywhere in the
world is like a violation of her or his rights in Iran.”
“...Who
is stealing Iranian oil? Saudi Arabia, which is allied with Israel, and Qatar
and the United Arab Emirates, who are allies of Israel. So (what is
happening in Gaza, from this point of view) is also our business. ...Who was
involved in the October Surprise and Iran-Gate? Israel. Who helped the (Iranian)
regime to continue a war with Iraq for eight years? Israel. So it is our
business.”
“How does
the propaganda of the dominant power confuse people like you so that you can’t
see the truth? ...We are surrounded by the military and intelligence bases of
the U.S. and Israel, so it is our business.”
We should
become architects/creators of our destinies and terminate the life of
despotism. We ourselves should become right-oriented people. We
ourselves should become proud and noble nations, and become nations which
organize our lives based on national rights...not letting anyone to violate even
an iota of these rights.
Click https://soundcloud.com/a-banisadr/banisadr-93-05-03
to listen to the full interview.
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